Elevate with Grace

S2, Ep 3 Our Boundaries & Our Time

• Elevate with Grace • Season 2 • Episode 3

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This week we are diving head first into the area of healthy boundaries and time management a perfect follow up from our episodes on courageous conversations.

Leveling up on our ability to have brave conversations provides the perfect framework to now focus on cultivating new healthy boundaries and ensuring you start owning your time as the most precious resource you have.

There is a very good chance that even if you had good boundaries pre 2020 these have blurred so we are sure this is the perfect time to be sharing these curated insights.
 
Our action challenge this week: Write down 3 areas of your life that feel out of control and would benefit from a refocus.  Jot down some thoughts around how to overcome.  Then start  for a whole week to mindfully track your time and get ready for our next episode.

SHOW NOTES:
Zeigarnik effect
Laura Vanderkam, Off the Clock
Nir Eyal, Indistractable
Gary Keller & Jay Papersan, The One Thing

In a January 2022 Trends Report by the American Psychological Association - called Burnout and Stress Are Everywhere - https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/01/special-burnout-stress

Right to Disconnect: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/22/right-to-disconnect-could-become-the-norm-in-europe.html
Portrugal takes it one step further for parents: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59263300#:~:text=Portugal%20has%20banned%20bosses%20from,from%20home%20in%20the%20country

To Do Lists don't work: https://www.wired.com/story/to-do-apps-failed-productivity-tools/

Who is responsible: https://www.fastcompany.com/90720956/who-is-responsible-for-protecting-work-life-balance-it-depends-who-you-ask

How much is too much that its not efficient?: https://www.atlassian.com/blog/productivity/this-is-how-many-hours-you-should-really-be-working

Music created by Claire's daughter Hannah

Miranda:

Welcome to season two of the elevate with grace podcast, for women who are short on time and long to take steps to create success on their own terms. This podcast is here for women who feel overworked, underappreciated, and stuck in a constant world of spinning plates and want more from life. We take the Intel out there and curate it to the highest value insights.

Miranda (2):

We combine it with lived experiences to offer bite-sized actionable tips. So you can look back at the end of the quarter and the end of the year, knowing that you were working towards achieving success on your own terms.

Claire:

Hey, Hey, welcome to episode three, season two of the elevate with grace podcast. I'm Claire and with me is my brave and energetic cohost Miranda. I've had a great couple of weeks since our last podcast. I've been continuing with my being kind to myself challenge and doubling down on paying attention to not getting swept up in the hustle, always on mindset that I have. Pretty bad habit of doing before initiating my own great personal reset during the COVID pandemic. It's actually pretty tough to stay attentive, to creating time in my week for those activities that will get me the longterm results I want for living life on my terms. But As we head towards the end of the first three months of 2022, I'm feeling quite good about sticking to the goals I set for myself for the first bit of this year. How have you been traveling these last couple of weeks? Miranda?

Miranda:

quite literally traveling and doing great. So for the first time, in two

Miranda (2):

year

Miranda:

I've been back in the air. In itself feels quite surreal. While traveling is definitely a little bit more stressful than it was with all the PCRs and different paperwork and regulations, it's fabulous to be back in the wider world and, really seeing what's happening and that growth the tapping in other countries. Back in the middle east and I'm just always inspired it's just a wonderful dichotomy of future and past. They've got the world. A moment. They've just opened the museum of the future. It's just super inspiring and absolutely incredible. So yes, good times. Funnily in all of my flights back and forward, I have actually been really tapping into the Hamilton soundtrack. I've always been a bit of a movie soundtrack in the plane kind of girl. Some of my other ones are gone, but I know you are a huge Hamilton fan. And when I first saw it, I was definitely quite emotional. The family and the female kind of pieces just irked me, I think. But listening to the soundtrack now I have absolutely I'm hooked. I'm just singing along in my head all the time. It's quite incredible. I just love the storyline of that rebuilding and starting again and starting fresh. And some great learnings. I think as we've ventured into this new world, I love to see parliament rapping, but he go, I'm a convert Lin-Manuel is an absolute genius, but it took me a while to join your bandwagon.

Claire:

Ah, that's good to hear that. I'm pretty excited. I was in Melbourne, CBD, not quite the middle east. I was near there setting up the Hamilton theater because it's coming to Melbourne from Sydney. We've got tickets in may. And yeah, I had goosebumps as I was walking past the theater the other day. So I'm pretty prompt that you've got excited and into Hamilton. It was definitely my go-to in COVID and I'm looking forward to seeing live yeah, it's good.

Miranda:

Fantastic and congratulations on continuing the be kind movement with yourself. I hope we all continue to do it every day, it hard to just turn off that negative language and definitely in the research for the time and boundaries. Generally women will default to this I'm not good enough, why can't I just focus and why can't I do more kind of mentality. Super keen for our discussion over this next two pods. Because we do need to learn to become to ourselves and find these tips and tricks to make this section of our lives a lot easier. I am incredibly mindful that for me, this has been the hardest area to solve. Time management and boundaries can be really tough and something that it's one of these lifelong practices. You've just got to continue checking in on and improving. Last year we spoke about sort of capacity of time management with the ideas of round one thing, miracle morning, focusing on those important versus the urgent tasks, making sure we're not swept up in emails and a whole lot of meetings for meetings sake, I think strong time management and clear boundaries definitely deserve a deeper dive as these areas that are so essential to achieving your goals. And we're too busy when we're too burned out we just don't show up as our best selves. We start focusing on survival rather than on how do we achieve the best in the week, how do we achieve the best in our goals? Without getting some parameters around time and boundaries, we are not going to have enough space to achieve our goals so we can set great habits but the boundaries to make sure that we can continue to deliver on those. We can set great objectives and plan our calendar. But if we don't have great time management, we're not going to tick those off. This is just like a crucial puzzle that, we really need to check in with.

Claire:

Yeah, I'm really pumped at the topics of healthy boundaries and time management the focus of this podcast and our next podcast in a fortnight's time. It ties in nicely with our last couple of conversations on courageous conversations, because leveling up on our ability to have brave conversations, I think will absolutely help us to create and maintain healthy boundaries for ourselves. If you haven't already, I would love for you to go and check our first to season two pods on courageous conversations, because I think it's all very intricately related. Time and boundaries and talking about them is key to that. They help us thrive, but it's also really important. And I think as women, we also like to think about. Others a lot as well. And the thing is with healthy boundaries and better time management, if we're thriving in that allows us to be able to thrive and support, our loved ones and our colleagues as well. There's, there's that dual benefit from them and, with only so much time in a day, and we can't create more hours in the day. I think a lot of us often say that if only we could, but we can't. And you know how we look after our time and we create boundaries around that time is really important.

Miranda:

Couldn't agree more. Time is our most precious resource. Everyone has exactly the same amount of time in their week in the year. So, time is definitely something that we can learn to harness and do a lot more with. You mentioned about how women just are intuitively wanting to help and through COVID. I think we really saw that women were, the statistics. I think we're up to 60% more likely to take on other people's burdens through COVID or be that listening ear and try and help out. Somewhere in there are boundaries have become quite blurred. Pre 20, 20, maybe some of us actually had some good boundaries around going to work switching off and having that home space not answering emails over a certain time or switching off on the weekend. More important than ever now to really consider what the boundaries you used to have. And hopefully we can tap into, ones that are better for us as we go forward.

Miranda (2):

There's lots of things I think we need to reset on. A great segway to our action challenge, because I want you to think about this while you're listening to the podcast. So action. The site is to reflect on any boundaries and time systems that you've let slip, identify three areas better discipline around both time and boundaries would help you find clarity and peace of mind. Write these down along with some thoughts on how you will overcome these or how you've overcome these in the past. And then the next episode, we're going to share those key tips to help build this out further. You're going to do the foundations here and then we're going to really help you piece to this out and for bonus points with this action challenge, I really do recommend you jot down where your time goes in the week. So we'll talk about time-blocking in the future, recording your minutes rather than your hours and thinking about, what you do from the time you wake up to the time you go for bed, even over just one week. Definitely some benefits around that time chunking and understanding where you're spending your time.

Claire:

One of the popular topic of conversation at the moment is the doom scrolling, on your phone. So I do check how much time I'm spending on my phone and I've put time limits on, 15 minutes across Insta. LinkedIn and Facebook, so that it's just reminded me. It's like, all right, cool. You've had your play I think that's good. So that, to thinking about where you could be and that's not to say that we shouldn't be watching a good Netflix show or doing any of that stuff. That's all very important, but there is an awareness and mindfulness that can come from how we're spending our time and doing those activities.

Miranda:

What app do you use to give you that alert on your socials on Often you can sit you can set time. Yeah. You can set time limits on your iPhone. Very cool.

Claire:

It's interesting. What you said. I think there is 24 7. Always on digital world. That was never going anywhere pre COVID. But certainly this blurring of all the lines, you don't really get that third space. I think the thing that we've got to realize is that our work situation, anything, it can blur all of those lines. So you have to be in a position to create your own boundaries. In January of this year, the American psychological association did a trends report about that the COVID-19 pandemic has introduced new stresses to nearly every domain of our life. And as the world heads into our third year of the pandemic, the stresses have become persistent and indefinite so we need to create some sort of reset of our own really. And I think this conversation around time and boundaries looking at some of the literature out there and preparing for the podcast. It does make you realize that you do need to be accountable for that yourself. The article actually calls for an action on employers and legislators. In my mind, that's also an action on ourselves. So there's a three elements. There's that macro element that we need to talk about. And then you've got the work home element more specifically in that, but also we can take accountability too. And I think we have a part to play in that as well. But it is, you agree with that, but I do think that I think we spoke about it. In our last episode, how women don't tend to take on like higher responsibility roles, because they believe that comes with the company.

Miranda:

And they're going to have to give up all their extra time and it's going to be a real burden on them. I do think that the higher you are in management, the greater, the ability to be able to sort of fix your own time, set some really clear boundaries with your team on when you're available, when you're not available. When you're more in that middle management, or lower management there can be a real encroachment. And if everybody else has accepting that behavior, there is probably a little bit of peer pressure that you too would accept that time constraint. So absolutely we need to be able to set our own boundaries. And I've seen a couple of people do that where they've gone across the tide and they've been called out for not having the same passion or fire in their belly. It's actually, it's like, no, no, no. This, person's got really healthy boundaries and the rest of us need to learn how to adapt to those. It takes that one or two to shine a light. And it's interesting that generally, particularly at that like GM level, doesn't quite understand that distinction. They just think, oh, they're just not motivated. So I am all for a bit of legislation and I think it's really interesting that some countries have been, recognizing that this challenge is a huge. I thought Paris led the way on this one. I saw some legislation, I think 2018 where they put this mandate that you will not allowed to email or make calls or anything after 7:00 PM. That was it. You had to switch off. Doing a little bit of Googling. It was actually originally implemented by Germany in 2013 it's called the right to disconnect Initially they were stopping their ministers from contacting their workforce after hours. That sort of led this trend that France in 2017 and then last year Portugal followed suit we've got these great slack and teams as well as email and text. And people kind of just use those brain dump at any time of the night or any time of the morning. And that leads to other things, particularly if they haven't turned those notifications off. a huge challenge and it's good to see some countries leading the way there is whispers that Australia might be attention.

Claire:

Ah yeah. I think, Portugal, the laws change late last year. Companies that have more than 10 staff could face fines if they text message or email employees outside of their contracted hours. They also introduced new laws, on allowing staff with children to work remotely. So parents will be allowed to work remotely at home indefinitely without seeking prior approval from their employers until their child turns eight. So there's massive. Yeah. So I know. Yeah. So there's obviously lots of conversation going on, particularly in Melbourne and Sydney about returning to work and what that looks like for large corporates. Certainly with families that have primary school age kids, it has been a bit of the silver linings. I thought that was really interesting that you basically have the right to work. At home until their child turns eight. Interesting. With the time management I think the one book hands down that you introduced me to, that we did a book review in season one episode five of the one thing. And the mantra from that book is my go-to when I think about time management. So what's the one thing that if I do it right now will make everything easier or unnecessary and yeah, I encouraged you to go and listen to our podcast on that, because it's a really great concepts and ideas about how you can apply the one thing, practically in our sense, there's some of the stuff that we took away from it practically, but I think it can help what's. One thing that I'm going to do this week, or the three things that I'm going to nail this week. Keeping it to that really has helped me a lot from a time management perspective?

Miranda:

Yeah, absolutely. When it comes to time management as I mentioned before time is the great equalizer. Everybody has the same amount of time. And what we do with it is where the magic comes into play. There is a lot of research around meetings and meetings for meetings, sake and emails and how people use all those productivity tools to actually. Make themselves feel comfortable in their busy, but not be completing those important tasks. A really interesting statistic that 89% of to-do lists are never completed. 6,000 respondents in 2012, LinkedIn did a survey. Go to the point of writing down these to-do lists. I think we've just got a really different logic of what that looks like. Maybe by writing down 10 things, because it's everything that's in our brain, but actually. One thing sort of perspective. There might only be one or three of those that really important. the rest shouldn't sit there. there's some sort of thought leadership around just calendaring in those tasks. There is obviously a lot of digital apps that have been created. And so people going onto the digital apps and 40 to 50 tasks are never being completed, which would be fine if we could just be really cool and mellow about interestingly, the majority of tasks are all ticked off within the first day of being put into the app. I guess what that sort of indicating is that we're looking for that gratification of ticking them off, as opposed to those big tasks that need to be done. this is actually a bit of a lot ground here that by putting the tasks on your to-do list that you're not doing by doing meetings and things that you don't really need, that there's actually a mental brain suck that's happening. So tasks that are sitting uncompleted sit in our subconscious and they might sort of pop up at 2:00 AM in the morning, or they might pop up when you're driving and they're using our mental load. It's actually, so bad there's a name for it. It's called the Zeigarnik effect. I'm going to put that one in the show notes. It was a 1920s that explore the impact on our brain when we leave tasks, incompleted, and just the incredible ability of our brain to remember something and quickly forget it when they're completed, but to attack our brain system when they are not completed. The examples given where like waiters in a restaurant they can instantly remember your meal until they've served it and then it's gone. And they could not recall that an hour later, the same goes for up to do this. If we've already in the doubt and we'd sitting there, it's Checkbook. And if we don't take that off, our mental checkbook keeps going, Hey, Hey, what about this? You've forgot about this. What about this? A lot of the times they're really menial tasks that are not worth that important brain load. So super fascinating. And I think when people go time management, oh yeah, that's nice. But I'm too busy to plan. I just want to get in and get it all done. The big caveat to that is if you're not taking charge of things, It's taking charge of you. So you really want to make sure that you're thinking quite consciously about that time management. I think there's this there's so many ways that we can be busy. There was a book that I was reading it was called off the clock by Laura Vanderbilt. She was highlighting that a lot of managers keep the calendars really full that empty space in a calendar where you should be doing work is actually uncomfortable for people because that doesn't represent Izzy in the work culture. A busy work culture means your calendars are fully blocked. There was some controversial conversation around these. So the example they had was this really cool senior level manager who calendar was completely available. And he was like, yeah, I don't understand why people can't manage their calendars. You know, I've got lots of free time. I must've been, I first reflected on what he was saying and going that's probably because you've given a whole lot of women and you're just doing your essentials but I do think that if we protect our time more preciously, make sure there's an agenda for meetings and ensure that we've got some gaps in our calendar. Even if we just make them green instead of blue so that we know that it's focused work time, that you've got the ability to really manage your time and not just give that to other people. some very fascinating pieces.

Claire:

Yeah, that is really interesting. I was thinking As we're talking about going back into the office space I've been part of quite a few conversations that are I've looked at my diary tomorrow and I'm just in zoom meeting after zoom meeting, after zoom meeting, what's the point in going into the office and I want to catch up with people. I had Becoming quite conscious of that. So if I know that I'm going to go into the office, making sure that whatever spare spots there are, I'm blocking them so that I am going to make the most of interacting with people in 3d, because we've got to think about ways to get those gaps. And I think there's a bit of a conversation at the moment. I can't think off the top of my head, who's written a book on it. I feel like it was the guy who did. Lost connections. And it's a book about how we've lost our focus and how focus time is so important. But we're so used to just being busy and then we're finding it really hard when we are confronted with blank spaces in our diaries, where do I even start with focused work and deep thinking? So, all of. the stuff we'll talk about tips and tricks and how to get better time management and boundaries in the next pod. But that stuff I think will help with some of these challenges that we're trying to face with concentrating and finding focus percent.

Miranda:

Which types nicely back into boundaries and making sure bring out boundaries back to the workforce. And I must admit, I've really never been great at boundaries. Probably 2017. I started to really learn how to cultivate these. I've still have loads to learn. I do think that thought leadership has also got a long way to go around boundaries. I think a lot of boundary setting within the workspace is perceived as still a bit selfish and there's some negative connotations around what these boundaries mean. and maybe I've just been reading the wrong books, but I've also found it very much targeting women, not being able to set boundaries, not men, even male and female authors that have been perpetuating this kind of conversation of the busy female who is taking on their family's load, they're taking on their workload, they're taking on all of the key stakeholder pieces, community groups, et cetera. I found that quite fascinating, but also quite frustrating because I do think boundaries are actually very kind, they're kind to yourself and they kind to your team and your family. With clear boundaries, your team's going to know when you're available to them, they're going to receive your dedicated attention. They know that within this pocket of time that you're dedicating to them, the boundary that you've set is that you are available. Um, and also that they kind of prepare because they know that your boundary also says. Once you've had that meeting, that they need to go away and get their work done so that you can go and get your work done, um, rather than constantly popping in and, and being that distraction, I think at home, you also, you know, you know, constantly compromise with your work. So it means you're going to be more present at home or involved, but that they'll also know when you need your boundaries for work and respect those, because you're not doing it every night. It's a once-off thing rather than an ongoing, and that maybe they can offer you that space. To complete those important tasks. Now that one also comes with getting kids to really understand that you are a human being that also needs doing stuff. Boundaries really ensure that, your workplace really get the best out of you. It's that the perception of work is very different. If your colleagues are taking advantage, in breaking your boundaries they don't know what your boundaries are versus your workplace. So if your workplace is upsetting that boundary setting, then we're going to get quite disenfranchised if your colleagues across those boundaries. I think you can address it quite directly. Like you said, the micro versus the macro lens to solve issues, but you should definitely speak up per our last podcast. You need to be communicating what your boundaries are and that brave person in my workplace that was like, no, no, no. It took a little while for people to understand what that looked like and what that meant. And then also start to copy her lead by going, oh, actually that's a really safe boundary. And I feel like I can achieve more if I can carve out that time for myself.

Claire:

We are definitely, a bit of a precipice of what all this means because with the COVID pandemic the work and home lives blurring, it does become an interesting challenge around health and wellbeing and the responsibilities of employers in terms of creating health and wellbeing. I was listening to a podcast the other day. They were talking about

Miranda:

this

Claire:

and it reminded me a little bit about what my dad used to say to me when I was a kid, don't do as I do do, as I say, but in organizations, it doesn't really matter how many policies a company puts out and what they speak of in terms of their supporting health, wellbeing boundaries. the reality is, as you mentioned earlier, the general managers, the senior people are. Working long hours and it's transparent that they're working long hours. And then the perception of people in the organization is the ones that working those long hours that are getting paid, rises, notice promotions, how do we break cycle. and I think we're not there yet. In terms of where the responsibilities of employers and employees lie, there was an article by fast company, that talks to who is responsible for creating the boundaries around your work. Is it you or your company? And a recent survey that they talked to you in the article conducted by a company called true software 43% of employees believe that the responsibility falls squarely on them. the study actually identified a striking difference of opinion across generations. So where the majority of workers over 45 believed, establishing and enforcing those boundaries is their own personal responsibility. That perspective was only shared by just on 40% of those aged under 45. The truce software CEO. Said that he distinguished that between those people who begin their careers in an era when bringing homework was a conscious decision we had those boundaries, we didn't have this creep of technology from work that they could access us anywhere on our phones, So those who started in a working era where they could be reached 24 7 via email slack, zoom. All of those workplace tools typically expected their employers to support and model a strong work-life divide.

Miranda:

Wow. You certainly seeing that pushback from millennials, but this helps it make sense. Which is, Hey you can't give me all these tools and not give some perimeters around how we're using them and make sure it's consistent across all of the people within my team, it's really, really good clarity.

Claire:

Yeah, I thought that was interesting. And the distinction between the two modes Millennials or those that have grown up in that availability of tools that can get access to you whenever they're their belief that the employers need to be doing more in that space. And I think one of the critical things is, what's management doing it, we have to be careful about what we're saying versus what we're doing. And what's observed as this is what we say, but really the subculture is if I can access George seventy-five percent of the time, and I can only access. 50% of the time after hours, how conscious is management being about how they're treating those situations, because it's making it difficult to have that correct boundary management and setting within organizations. It's an interesting space and hopefully we'll get a lot better at understanding the responsibilities. Lawmakers employers and employees, because in today's world, it can't just be like it was, which has goodbye. I'm leaving at 5:00 PM and you can't access me. my mum when she used to work at the bank, if they were on the phone, And another customer tried to call you'd get the busy tone, so you could only ever answer one call at a time. Whereas now, you have to be like cyborgs, people can be contacting us five different ways at the one time and you've resolved all that. Right. It's just a different world and the conversations around responsibilities. For boundary setting is bigger now because of the world that we live in. I think, just one other point that I wanted to make about the work-life balancing, just some food for thought is a sort of an article written by LaSeon last year. Putting forward. The fact that there's quite a lot of evidence that doing more than 50 to 55 hours of work a week does not necessarily equate to higher productivity. In fact, it actually starts to impede on your productivity. So there's a really good case study there to say that if people are working more than 50, 55 hours a week, they're actually not. Generating better results for your organization. just because the hours are being put in. As a, an additional kicker on that, if you're looking for some reasons to set some boundaries and have some of those courageous conversations, there's a study from the world health organization that found working an average of 55 hours or more each week increases your risk of stroke by 35%. And your risk of dying from heart disease by 17% compared to those working in average of 35 to 40 hours a week.

Miranda:

It's about really making sure that yeah, those boundaries are in place, but also the value of you spending that much time working and then fighting your brain to keep focused. Because your brain sort of under attack, that you are more prone to triggers. To procrastinating, so random to do is your brains going to be like, I need a break. so you'll find yourself scrolling on social media, or going to go for a walk and get a coffee. And your brain does need those breaks. It's one every hour it's supposed to have a bit of a recharge. But what we tend to do is then beat ourselves up because I'm procrastinating. Oh, I've lost that. Whatever. we deep dive into these wasted tasks that take half an hour of it actually offered no value to your important pieces. And then you're giving up time with your family. You're giving up time at the gym because somehow things. You have to put that much work in, you have to take as much off your, to do list as you can, which we've already discussed. It's almost impossible. 89% of people aren't taking off the, to do list. So if that's what you need to get out the door, he's hardly setting yourself up for failure. So back to that, let's actually track our time for the next two to two weeks. Let's understand what being from the time we wake up to the time we're going to sleep. There was some data around this in terms of how many hours are we actually working versus how many hours do I think we're working? And imagine what this study is showing is that that work obviously is draining you're then carrying that mental load. Whereas if you were to dedicate 10 of those hours, maybe to social engagements, meeting with your friends or your family, you actually underestimate how much time you spend there. And it feels like you have more time in your week when you're doing those social activities. When you're dedicating that time to things that filled your cup up. So other ways you can hack time is actually to make sure that you're focusing on those high performance tasks for four hours, five hours, but the are actually carving out that really quality family time and such because it makes you feel. That your wakes better that your week is actually bigger than what you are. If you're just sitting there cramming at the desk every day and can't remember what you were doing for half of it. I think really time to use our time. as I mentioned before, Laura Vanderkam, off the clock has great, pieces around this and speaking about how we're using our time, why we're using our time in these different ways.

Claire:

I think that's a perfect segue to recap on what our action challenges for the fortnight ahead, because that context that you've just set up there It's really good context for the action challenges, we get mindful about this stuff. Then get into some of the ways that we can work on this stuff in a couple of weeks time.

Miranda:

Absolutely the challenge for this episode is to reflect on any past boundaries and time systems that you've let slip. To identify three areas where better discipline around time and boundaries would help you find help you on clarity and peace of mind. Write these down along with some thoughts on how you've overcome these in the past or how you think you could overcome these. And in the next episode, we're going to share those key tips on helping you to build out that kit further. And then I really do urge you to do that time mapping. So grab your calendar and just really be mindful, almost a time sheet for the next week, write down everything you're doing from the time you wake up to the time you go to sleep and start to see if you can find some gaps that are not what she thought they were. So we can really dig deeper in our next pods. So as always with the content we've mentioned today in the pod episode notes. You can check them out over the next week and dip into some of the stuff that resonates with you and will inspire you to take small, actionable steps for your own success journey. Please also check out our website, elevate with grace.com that I use or hop onto our Instagram for curated content. We'd love, love, love to hear from you and how you're going on this journey. Please give us an email at elevatewithgrace@gmail.com. And we'd love you to like and subscribe to this podcast and please do share it with anyone you think could add some value into their day by getting some of these great tips. In our next episode, we'll be getting into some tools, tricks, and for leveling up on your boundary setting and time management muscle and how to create them. This is where the action and the real beauty comes in. With you again in a fortnight's time. Claire, thank you so much for this podcast. I always love hanging out with you. Thank you listeners. I am so grateful for you.

Claire:

Yes. It's been a great chat. I've really enjoyed. I've learned a bunch of stuff from you as I always do you say thank you so much. And I'll speak to you very soon and see you in a fortnight's time listeners.